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joevann

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More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« on: January 15, 2013, 10:05:59 PM »
An 1878 Bormann made at Washington Navy Yard

joevann

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 10:09:15 PM »
The igniting mechanism from an "improved" Boxer fuze about 1896.  Used in 3-inch breech-loading Hotchkiss shrapnel rounds.

joevann

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 10:20:37 PM »
An internal Hotchkiss fuze from a steel 1-pounder.  Made by Winchester.  This fuze screws into the inside of the base plate.  This projectile had been in brackish water so long only the rifling band and this fuze were left.  All steel components had been reduced to soft carbon.

Pete George

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 10:57:59 PM »
  Fascinating revelations.  Thank you!

Best regards,
Pete

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2013, 06:58:44 AM »
               how does the Boxer fuze work ?? 

joevann

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2013, 02:03:27 PM »
These are Hotchkiss nose fuzes uded in cast iron shells  6-pdr and 3-pdr respectively.  Both made in Paris

joevann

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2013, 02:29:28 PM »
These are British Mark III Hotchkiss dase fuzes for AP shells.  They have the EOC stamp for "Elswick Ordnance Company".  Note the overstamp "PLUG".  In 1910, the Navy required that all shipping plugs be marked as such due to several accidents.  Aparrently the ordnance workers of this time failed to recognize that these were actually live fuzes and not simply shipping plugs.  Unfortunately, most ordnance workers are only knowledgeble about what they work with themselves and fail to study history and obsolete items.  As EOD we had to be able to know not only why something works, but why it failed to work and to recognize the origin and use of an item by it's characteristics.  In otherwords, you may not have seen a particular fuze, but you immediately recognize it's function and country of origin or development.  This is actually easier in old ordnance and the distinctions between countries are rather blurred today.  I used to work with  several QUASAs (Quality Assuance Specialist, Ammunition)  They thought they knew everything about ordnance, and they were very knowledgable about what was in service and storage during their lifetimes.  However, according to some of them, all 37mm ammunition were anti-aircraft projectiles.  Of course, we know that the 37mm projectile dates to the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868 where the signatories decided to ban any explosive projectile of less than 400 grams (14 ounces) in civilised warfare.

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2013, 02:34:20 PM »
Navy Major and Minor caliber base fuzes.  Yes, that was the official designation, 'Navy Base Fuze'.

John D. Bartleson Jr.

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2013, 09:19:35 PM »
Joe,
   Do you have a line drawing of the improved Boxer fuze?
I thought the time fuse with the dome head was the improved Boxer fuse.??
Regards,
John

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2013, 09:53:25 PM »
Yep.  I'll email it to you.

Pete George

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 10:23:43 PM »
  If I may be permitted to presume on your generosity... please make and post photos showing the "other end" of the last six fuzes you've posted.

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Pete

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2013, 06:50:50 AM »
          curiosity got to me, and I google mapped Mare Island [ which might or might not be truly an island].  I always thought it was  some offshore island in the ocean, not sitting in a bay like it is.  Anyway, I did the satellite picture searching and zoomed in on the south  end, and lo and behold !!   I saw a bunch of our members out there with what looked like ' minesweepers' and a whole bunch of  dig holes !! One car had Ill. plates, anothe Georgia and a third NC tags !! Couldn't see faces - they got pixeled out - but I think I can guess who it was .......

John D. Bartleson Jr.

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2013, 09:12:01 AM »
With buckets full of brass fuzes too! :)

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2013, 06:38:59 PM »
I only had the one bucket with me today...

John D. Bartleson Jr.

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Re: More Post-CW Navy from Mare Island
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2013, 08:54:01 PM »
Dou't you just hate people who brag? :)
John