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Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« on: July 16, 2015, 12:31:25 PM »
Confederate 6lbr side loader Recovered in the 1960’s, Gettysburg, Eastern Culp’s Hill, where Nichols Brigade crossed East Confederate Ave.  There is no known written documentation that a 6 lbr was used on the Confederate left, yet I now know of 2 recovered from Culp’s Hill.  I’m sure there are more in Gettysburg collections, yet I don’t have access.  Many have thought this case shot to have been dropped there, but now there is evidence of a war log recovered in the 1930’s by the CCC that contains a 6 lbr.  It wasn’t dropped into a tree.  When physical evidence is dismissed in lieu of written documentation it reminds me of archeologists that uncovered the palisade fence at Fort Fisher in 1962.  When determined it was made of pine, one archeologist remarked “it can’t be, General Lamb in his letter said it was made of palmetto”.  Physical evidence can’t be discounted, it is a cue to dig deeper.  Even if a 6 lbr was not in use, could discontinued ammunition been fired from a 12 lbr?  I read somewhere that part of Longstreet’s ammo train when captured contained cut rail to be fired from 12 lbrs.  All and any help is greatly appreciated.

The only documented 6 pounder used in the battle of Gettysburg was Branch’s North Carolina Battery commanded by Capt. Latham.  Latham was attached to Hood’s Division and went into action 4PM July 2 on the Emmitsburg Rd.  They responded to Union Artillery in the Peach Orchard. Their field of fire, Peach Orchard, Rose Farm, Wheatfield, and Devil’s Den.  The range of a 6 pounder was 1533 yards.  The 6 pounder of Latham’s was disabled July 2, from the duel near the Peach Orchard with the 5th & 9th Massachusetts Battery, and was not in action July 3rd.  The 6 & 12-pounder of Latham’s Battery were replaced with 2 captured 10 pound Parrotts from Smith’s NY Battery captured at Devil’s Den.
From M. W. HENRY’s report,
Major, Commanding Artillery Battalion.
July 1.--Left camp (Fayetteville) in the afternoon, and marched 10 miles on the road to Gettysburg, Pa.
        July 2.--Left camp, marched to Gettysburg, and took position in the afternoon on the right of our line, and engaged the enemy's artillery with two batteries, Captains [James] Reilly and [A. C.] Latham. During the evening, one 3-inch rifle belonging to Captain Reilly's battery burst. Captured and brought off the field this night three 10-pounder Parrott rifles.
        July 3.--Engaged the enemy again in the same position with the whole battalion. During the two days' fighting, lost 4 men killed and 23 wounded. Expended about 1,500 rounds of ammunition.
“July 4.--Changed position, and remained on battle-field until 6 p.m.; then took up line of march, and continued it through the night. Hauled off one 6-pounder bronze field piece and one 12-pounder howitzer, for which the captured Parrott guns had been substituted.”
July 5.--Still marching. At 2 p.m. took up camp on the South Mountain. The 6-pounder and 12-pounder howitzers, having merely the gun-carriage attached, were abandoned necessarily for the want of the proper means of transportation.

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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2015, 12:32:45 PM »
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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2015, 12:36:48 PM »
6 Lbr

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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2015, 06:37:46 PM »
Interesting post.  I am having a hard time seeing that that fragment in the tree trunk is a 6pdr roundball, but I guess we can take your word for it.

Tangentially, there is a slimeball who sells 6pdrs on ebay as having come from Gettysburg and I know for a fact the ones he had previously bought from me were not.  He has been banned from buying from us, but occasionally gets away with it by pretending to be someone else.

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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2015, 11:23:04 AM »
No I got this from the digger that I know very well, all legit.  Most if not all you see for sale are solid shot.  Hell this case stands by itself without id.  The tree you can't see the ball at all.  Has been x-rayed, contains bullets as well.

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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2015, 11:28:37 AM »
Talking with a few historians at GBurg NPS, possibility discontinued ammo fired by Carpenter & Dement Batteries of 12 pounders on Brenner Hill.  Just a slight windage problem of course.  As you know some of Longstreet's ammo train was captured with railroad track cut into small pieces, so anything's a possibility.

John D. Bartleson Jr.

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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2015, 12:31:36 PM »
Hello NC History,
    Can you post a clear image of the radiograph of the case shot?
Kind Regards,
John

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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2015, 01:24:16 PM »
Don't have a radiograph of the case shot.

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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2015, 02:30:46 PM »
No I got this from the digger that I know very well, all legit.  Most if not all you see for sale are solid shot.  Hell this case stands by itself without id.  The tree you can't see the ball at all.  Has been x-rayed, contains bullets as well.
x-ray and radiograph are the same thing??can you post back lit x-ray for all to see?
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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2015, 02:49:42 PM »
John, I'm well aware they are the same, thanks.  I said there is an x-ray of the log in question, not the case shot I own.  The log is owned by Barry Carroll, a 40 year collector, he advised me in 1997 the log was x-rayed and contained a 6 lbr and bullets.  Every question thus far is about credibility, I guess if you owned then items you would be certain.  I came here for some ideas and "expert" help?  I know without a doubt where the case was dug.  There is no question regarding it's location of recovery.  Now was it dropped there?  Was it fired there?  Can't find documented evidence of another 6 lbr, yet there is physical evidence.  When found, still contained paper fuze, therefore readied for fire, or fired.  Now if that is by another 6 lbr, or a 12 lbr, I don't know.

Do you Collectors know of any 6 lbr. recovered in the area of Culp's or Brenner Hill in collections, museums, etc??

Do you collectors know of any 6 lbr case shot being found anywhere on the field at Gettysburg, other than this one????  I have seen only solid thus far....

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

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Re: Gettysburg Help 6 Pounder use on the Confederate left
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2015, 05:03:50 PM »
Sorry, I was not questioning authenticity of the shell or its location, just would have liked to see the x-ray......
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John