Trans-Mississippi Taxonomy

[R. J. in LA]

Enjoying the heck out of this Michael. Any way for you to get the dimensions onto the examples you posted yesterday?

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RJ I will get them posted. When I entered them in photobucket I placed dig sites, etc and tagged the photos but the info did not transfer when I copied to the site.

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Here you go RJ hope it copies and pastes. I am having a terrible time typing. I got frost bite on three of my fingers at work and they are wrapped. Heck of a way to catch up on bullets isn't it?

TM-12 Delvigne .490 x 1.175. Dug in Major Whitfield’s winter camp (Texas Cavalry) 2 miles north of Cane Hill, Arkansas. I still kick myself for not buying this bullet and calling Mike and letting him whose site it was on. Best patina on a Delvigne I have seen. Any Arkansas diggers that may have a spare I would love to purchase one. Mike Ward Collection

TM-13 Sterling Price .482 x .838 x 275 only was told an Arkansas dug bullet.

TM-14 Hindman
w/out striations - .526 x .987 x 404 – Prairie Grove, Arkansas
with striations - .535 x .937 – Prairie Grove, Arkansas – Mike Ward Collection.

TM-15 Cosmo Type II
Left - .505 x .985 x 334. Crystal Springs, Arkansas
Right - .534 x .963 x 374, Brushy Creek, Crump’s Hill, Louisiana – Col Xavier DeBray’s Texans site.

TM-16(MM-301) .525 x 1.030 x 500, no location.

TM-17 Fagan .575 x 1.05 x 463, Austin, Texas – Mike Ward Collection.

[tennesseelead]

Mike,
     Check bullets TM 19B Jenkins Ferry & TM 14 Hindman w/o striations with acetone. Looks like painted bullets.  Maybe just your lighting?? Please let us know.
kp

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Ken, both the bullets you mentioned have a very hard slick patina with patina chips in a couple of areas and they have been checked. They are good bullets with good patinas.

[R. J. in LA]

Michael, thanks for the dimensions & info. update, much appreciated.

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On with 3, 4, and multi ring bullets.

TM-20
State's Guard (found in different areas but Steve Burgess has dug numerous and in different calibers in Arkansas).
.484 x .787 x 240 Calibers appear to range in the .380 to .50 range.
Dug Shiloh, Tennessee




TM-21
Baby Hawg
.535 x .979 x 398 (cavity depth .394)
Dug in Louisiana by a forum member.



TM-21 A
Arkansas Hawg
.682 x 1.179 x 816
Dug Monticello, Arkansas at Camp Round Church in one of General Fagan's camps.




TM-22
Texas Troops (Stan Hughes)
Cove Creek Minie (Steve Burgess)
This bullet was found in larger quanities by Stan in the Corinth area with Steve digging several in Arkansas. A great story goes with Stan and Steve and hopefully he will share the discussions and articles on this bullet.
.568 x 1.068 x 474 (Cavity Depth .308)
Dug Corinth, Mississippi by Stan Huges.
Some of these bullets have surfaced that apparently were suspicious in nature. I have also enclosed the photo of the Texas Troops dug with mine one of them in the photo after a good cleaning. This bullet has not been painted and I have checked it for those that question the validity.






MM-22A
Texas Troops
.566 x .992 x 437 (Cavity depth .271).
The lower ring is almost gone on this bullet and it has not been cut off. I spoke with Tom Stelma several times on this bullet and his thoughts were it was cast with very pour lead quality. That makes sense to me and I go along with that assessment.



Enjoy and I am gonna take a break and then enter 6 or 8 more bullets that will complete the photos I have on the Trans-Mississippi Bullets.

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TM-23
Baby Belgian
.573 x .910 x 440 (Cavity depth .235).
Dug Camp Bragg west of Camden, Arkansas in a 1864 fall camp of General Polignac's Texas Brigade.



TM-24
Baby Austrian
.576 x .930 x 448 (Cavity depth .310)
Recovered Princeton, Arkansas.
See Tom Stelma's 08-045 and 08-046.
I would appreciate input on this bullet and everyone's thoughts to what it actually is or could be.




TM-25
Large nose cast 3 Ring bullet found mainly in Corinth, Mississippi. I have just dubbed the name as a Texas Troops 69/70 Caliber due to the close appearance of the Texas Troops. Tom shows three of these in his book with all being dug in Corinth as well as mine.
.699 x 1.205 x 777 (Cavity depth .452).
Dug in Corinth, Mississippi by PIA.
I would like to hear from others that have dug this bullet or have it in their collections.




TM-26
MM-407 - I have placed this bullet in the Trans-Mississippi Theatre due to most being found in Louisiana. We have had several threads on this bullet on this forum as well as the old forum. Welcome comments.
.584 x 1.012 x 419 (Cavity depth .356).
No dig location available on mine.






TM-27
.565 x .965 x 474 (Cavity depth .265).
CS 4 Ringer
Arkansas Post, Arkansas
I only know of this bullet being dug in Arkansas.

 


I have included the Gomez and Mills Multi Ring Sharps with the TM Bullets with the majority found in Missouri, Arkansas, and a few in North Mississippi. I do not have a MM-192 at the moment and the difference between the MM-192 and 193 is the presence of a band at the top of the rings on the MM-193. The MM-192 (TT 105) and MM-193 (TT 104) are both 44 caliber bullets.

TM-28
(MM-191/TT 106) 52 Caliber
.575 x 1.014 x 454
I have a verbal of Arkansas but not sure.



TM-28 A
MM-193/TT 104
.471 x .805 x 247
Dug Arkansas



TM-28 B
TT 103
38 Caliber
.402 x .701 x 141
Northern Arkansas




I have finished what I have in the way of Trans-Mississippi Bullets and haven't covered several I don't have. I want to thank Mike for the Fagan, Churchill, Round Ball, Delvigne, and Hindman with striations photos to post.

Tom Stelma lists and has photos of many more that are under the Trans-Mississippi section of his book and I would like to hear information on those bullets. Most are forum members. I have only been collecting for about 15 years and I make a lot of mistakes and probably have on this post/thread. Any information on bullets pro or con is appreciated so one and all can become more aware with accurate information on the finest bullets of the ACW.

Hope to see a lot of comments, photos, locations and stories of the same and different TM Bullets.

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I guess I need to add the photo of the TM-28 B



Sorry about that.

[tom buckley]

Michael,
Thanks for the photos and information.

[R. J. in LA]

Thanks Michael!

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I had a better photo of the Delvigne from Mike's collection and wanted to post it for yall to see.

[acwbullets]

Nice bullets Mike!

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Miscellaneous bullet dug in Louisiana with the nose clipped and a hard amber colored material poured/placed/inserted into the opening. The bullet is listed in Tom Stelma's as TS 08-073 and states filled with iron ball (material in bullet is not an iron ball).
Just wanted to share an interesting bullet dug in the Trans-Mississippi. I don't have a clue what the soldier was doing with this bullet or what has been poured into the nose. Thoughts or comments appreciated.
.572 x .856 x 448

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I don't have a clue to where the photos went. I haven't moved, changed folders, sub-folders or anything in photobucket. Don't know when I will get the time to repost them, I go back to work today so it may be a couple of weeks.