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Relic Discussion => Artillery => Topic started by: CarlS on March 16, 2013, 02:14:19 AM

Title: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: CarlS on March 16, 2013, 02:14:19 AM
Hello,

I just finished cleaning an Archer bolt and it just has that look that makes the iron guys go wow!  I think the lead heads will even enjoy this one since it has a lead band around it!  How I wish I had cleaned this for my collection but the owner seems intent on keeping it.  Too bad because he has more than one.

This is a 3-inch Archer bolt and is rare as can be.  It is found on page 86 of Jack Melton and Lawrence Pawl's "Introduction to Field Artillery Ordnance 1861-1865".  You can find it on page 76 of Tom Dickey and Pete George's 1993 Edition of "Field Artillery Projectiles of the American Civil War" where Pete refers to it as "One of the rarest Archers".

The iron is excellent and you can distinctively see the sprue on the base and the mould mark up both sides.  Of special interest is the nice white lead sabot with the lube groove around the top.   It even still has the nice white ridge in the groove from the mould.  It's even nicer looking in person than my images can portray.

I hope you enjoy! 

Side View:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o556/Sitherwood/Forum_Images/Archer_3in_Tall_Bolt_01_zps36f36446.jpg)

Top View:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o556/Sitherwood/Forum_Images/Archer_3in_Tall_Bolt_03_zps3e79964b.jpg)

Bottom View:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o556/Sitherwood/Forum_Images/Archer_3in_Tall_Bolt_04_zps87d08202.jpg)
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: Daveslem on March 16, 2013, 05:01:22 AM
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's shell. It's a beauty. The whiteness of the sabot is pretty wild. Good job, Carl.
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: John D. Bartleson Jr. on March 16, 2013, 08:12:01 AM
You did a great job on a great projectile.
Regards,
John
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: jonpatterson on March 16, 2013, 11:45:35 AM
WOW  Somebody is going to be proud to have that one on display. The rest of us came dream....
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: CarlS on March 16, 2013, 11:55:17 AM
That projectile looked great before cleaning.  Were it mine I might have left it with that nice dug look but the owner wanted it to match the others he has which I fully understand. 

I also forgot to point out that this is one of the few Archer's with lathe marks.  What is particularly interesting about that is the body is cast slightly undersize so it doesn't need lathed but the sabot is lathed to size leaving it slightly larger than the projectile body.  This is clearly seen with the lathe marks on the lead sabot and yet the mould seam still visible on the iron body which would have been removed by lathing.
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: John D. Bartleson Jr. on March 16, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
Carl,
  I don't have my reference books with me here in FL.  What makes this Archer so rare?
Regards,
John
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: Ripcon on March 16, 2013, 12:09:50 PM
One word says it all: STUNNING!
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: CarlS on March 16, 2013, 12:57:18 PM
John,

I suspect the rarity is that there have only been so many found.  I'd guess based on just what I've seen there are less than a dozen of them; I don't think I've ever even seen more than 4 or 5 with this guy having 3.  I'm sure there are more than that but not many.  Perhaps Mike and some of the other collectors might chime in indicating they've seen more.

As Pete theorized in his book that given the difference in shape (rounded nose) and the use of the lathe as opposed to other Archers, this pattern was very likely the product of some small deep south manufacturing site that may have only supplied troops in the south Georgia, South Alabama, Carolina and Florida where most were found (near Jacksonville).
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: scottfromgeorgia on March 16, 2013, 07:14:17 PM
Lovely job, Carl. Good work in preserving this piece of our heritage for another 200 years.
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: divedigger on March 17, 2013, 07:08:56 AM
I agree with the rest. That is an outstanding cleaning. Good job Carl
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: gflower on March 17, 2013, 06:17:36 PM
Carl,
Did these come from around Olustee? Thanks Gary
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: CarlS on March 17, 2013, 09:37:56 PM
Gary,

I'm not positive of the recovery site but Tom and Pete's book indicate they are found at St. John's Bluff which I think is in the Jacksonville area.
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: speedenforcer on March 18, 2013, 02:07:01 AM
yes, St. Johns Bluff is in Jacksonville.
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: Steve Phillips on March 18, 2013, 03:27:52 PM
I have three of these and did have four before trading one to Mike. They are from about six miles from Tallahassee.
Steve Phillips
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: John D. Bartleson Jr. on March 18, 2013, 04:29:52 PM
Hi Steve, good to hear from you again.  will you post some of your archers?
Regards,
John
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: gflower on March 18, 2013, 04:44:55 PM
Thanks Steve for the correction. In college I pounded the "Bluff" when you could, and everything  i dug from the bluff was heavy metal, no field stuff. Gary
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: John D. Bartleson Jr. on March 18, 2013, 05:16:55 PM
Gary or Steve, can you enlighten the members on what conflict took place near Jacksonville.
Regards,
John
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: Ward Reilly on March 18, 2013, 11:24:17 PM
Great shell, greater job cleaning it up! Ward
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: speedenforcer on March 19, 2013, 01:24:12 AM
The Federal gun boats were on the St. Johns River and they were shelling the Confederates on the bluff, known as St. Johns Bluff.
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: John D. Bartleson Jr. on March 19, 2013, 09:53:59 AM
The St. Johns separate GA and FL so the rebs were on the GA side? I had not heard of that incident.
John
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: joevann on March 19, 2013, 10:24:59 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saint_John's_Bluff
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: Selma Brooke Gunner on March 19, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
The St. John's is the entrance to Jacksonville from the Atlantic. The Confederates held the bluffs on the south side of the river and would harass the Union navy stationed at the mouth of the river as well as a coaling station they had established up a creek on the north side of the river. When the Union decided to take Jacksonville St. John's Bluff was the first of the Confederate held areas to go. A nice little side note to that history is that the crew of the Union steamer Water Witch captured the guns on St. John's Bluff and later in the war the Confederates captured the Water Witch.
Title: Re: For The Archer Lovers Out There
Post by: CarlS on March 20, 2013, 11:48:57 PM
Some more eye candy for you!   Steve Phillips shared his incredible Archer family with us:

Base view:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o556/Sitherwood/Forum_Images/photo1_zps7c3840eb.jpg)

Nose View:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o556/Sitherwood/Forum_Images/photo3_zpsfc60cd31.jpg)

Some examples of the style that started this thread:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o556/Sitherwood/Forum_Images/photo2_zps89924321.jpg)

Note this close up of the example missing the sabot.  It has a few large dimples to prevent the lead from slipping:
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o556/Sitherwood/Forum_Images/photo4_zps6e8c91e4.jpg)