Bullet and Shell Civil War Projectiles Forum
Relic Discussion => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: gandycreek on March 22, 2017, 04:57:25 PM
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http://www.nbc12.com/story/34967104/police-guard-siege-museum-in-petersburg-after-live-civil-war-era-ammunition-found
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"It could knock out windows. You would not want to be an individual holding one of these things because it could knock you out," Mann said.
"If you find one, you got to destroy it," Mann added.
This all happened as the task force was working to get the museum back open again. They’re hoping to get permission from the city to have the museum open again within two months.
this pass's stupid on all levels
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Morons. Me thinks they just like the publicity cause aint no one that stupid, oh wait, yes they are.
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yeah that's pretty funny
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anybody that finds one can let us know and we will be glad to destroy it for you so you wont have to
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They don't say who this H. Edward Mann clown is. He is clearly a complete idiot. Was he one of the numerous homeless people wandering the streets of Petersburg when the media rolled in? Sure sounds like he needs to be committed. What a moron.
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ha ha ha ha ha ha! Be nice
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Actually H. Edward Mann looks like he is likely not homeless:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/h-edward-mann
He looks to be well connected, into history and must be somehow associated with the museum.
That said why doesn't anyone ever think to perhaps save the relic rather than blow it up?
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In thinking about ways for lobbying for the saving of these and other such finds I'm not sure what the answer is. The government agencies aren't set up to do disarming; only knocking a big hole in it with a shape charge. If a private person were to volunteer to disarm they would be setting themselves up for a visit from the government which I think most people would agree is more likely to have negative outcome than positive. In the government's eyes, you would need special permits at a minimum for this type of work and they certainly (correctly) wouldn't allow it in a home or neighborhood. So I'm not sure what the answer is. I suspect we just have to understand this is going to happen whether we like it or not. Other thoughts?
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let 'em have their fun, it ain't like there is a shortage
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Dive, I respectfully disagree. No historical artifacts should be destroyed regardless of availability. and 2nd, I am sure more than once in history a rare shell has been thoughtlessly destroyed in the name of public safety, as stupid as its sounds.
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You can't fix stupid.
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good points,1st rule of archaeology is do no harm, fixing stupid has been a project of my wife for years and it ain't helped me :)
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that reminds me of a time long ago when I first started digging, one of my friends, we will call him Birdman had a live shell that he wanted disarmed so he naively took it to the Sheriffs office to let the bomb squad disarm it. The man behind the desk said they don't disarm shells for civilians, they take them and destroy them. He said no way, he knew a guy that would disarm it so he took it and left. When he got to destination the Sheriff's Dept were there waiting on him. They took his little shell and a solid shot he also had and carried it to the Marine base and destroyed them both. Damn huh?
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Never been to the museum but shouldn't the Petersburg Siege Museum have at least a couple hundred pieces of artillery that was fired during the actual 9 month siege? ;)
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A co worker just texted me that at least in his neck of the woods, reason can (sometimes) prevail:
http://www.wtae.com/article/cannonballs-found-at-old-civil-war-arsenal-in-pittsburgh/9192285
Bully for them!
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Wow, some common sense! Good to hear. Gives me hope!
One of our forumites lives quite close and I'm sure is down there trying to see what he can find a home for. Interesting to find out if there are any markings on them as it would tell us for sure what marks that arsenal used. They look like 10-inch balls to me.
They made a lot of cannon there too. Maybe if they keep digging they'll find some tubes!
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I went to the Petersburg siege museum several years ago. Nice little museum really. It's mainly about the civilian population during the siege, but there are plenty of military artifacts there. They had a rather large caliber artillery shell sitting on a shelf. The wooden floor beneath it had a huge crater in it where the shell had rolled off the shelf many years ago. Made one hell of a dent in the old tongue and groove floor. They were also rather proud about a short film staring the famous old time actor Joseph Cotton about the siege. Apparently he was a native son of Petersburg. Sorry to hear they have turn stupid.
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This is in reference to Mike' march 27th post.
I went own to Allegheny arsenal site today to nose around. The shells/case shot are still there with a fence around them and a 24 hour bomb squad cop on duty. They had a tarp covering them so you could not see much. The bomb squad guy told me that there are about 50 6lb and 12lb Bormann fused rounds. He showed me a picture he had taken showing a 6lb and a 12lb. Sorry to say, both were scuffed in the area where the script A would be, if they had a script A. There is no way he was going to let me inspect them. I even offered to watch them so he could get a coffee. It' didn't work. :'(
They are really not sure what they are going to do with them. The company that owns the construction site is contacting some company from The Peoples Republic of Maryland to remove them. The bomb squad guy said that they could also do the job. He said that they would use what he called a "penetrater" to pop a hole in them under high pressure. This usually shatters it into pieces.
The Hienze History Center and the Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Hall both what them, so there may be some hope. Trouble is, they might get them in pieces.
I'll keep you guys advised.
take care
Dan
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Too bad the Museum couldn't give this guy a heads up to get this Parrott shell disarmed.
http://civil-war-picket.blogspot.com/2017/08/man-donated-civil-war-artifacts-to.html