Bullet and Shell Civil War Projectiles Forum
Relic Discussion => Artillery => Topic started by: joevann on February 13, 2013, 11:49:54 AM
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I just finished cooking a Parrott this morning. Although, this came from a test pit with many turn of the century projectiles, (I'm cooking a 3" proof round right now) I doesn't appear to have been ever fired. I think it was just dropped in the pit. Think it's worth anything?
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Hello Joe, is it fuzes? Tell us about this glory hole.
John
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Chilled shot. No fuze. Not much to tell. ( I ain't going to, anyway) It was an area used to test gun carriages. Fired into a sand pit at a range of about 50 feet. Most manufacturing arsenals had such a feature.
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For a Parrott, you probably already know its an uncommon and desirable projectile. 3 I have seen recently went for $800-1000.
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No, I didn't know. I've accumulated a few interesting pieces, but I don't do much buying and selling. I actually thought it was kind of common from the number I've seen over the years.
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I'd be willing to trade for a Frankford Arsenal 3.2" or 3.6" shrapnel with the 15- or 28-second beehive fuze...
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That beehive fuze is a tough one. I am not really up on post war stuff, but a good friend of mine has the Span Am War era 3.2" gun which he live fires each year at Grayling. He makes rounds for that competition, but had been looking for the shell for a while. We finally got him one this past Franklin Show but it was fuze-less so he's still looking for the fuze. You can wrestle him for it when one does finally turn up!
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Joe show us an image of the beehive. I think I know what you are talking about but the others may not. WWI PTTF?
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I have a fuze, but I sure would like a projectile.
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This is the projectile I'm looking for.
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Yep. that's it. Cool how they got the shot in there so neatly. Come over this direction and you can see it along with the gun that fires it.
Several of the canister rounds for that gun have become available over the last couple years. They look like one of the Sawyer canisters in D&G, but are a little bigger in diameter
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Joe where was the powder? I bet you can get fuze and shell on BOCN.
John
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Diagram shows the powder in the nose with all the balls arranged behind it in a thin walled shells. It would seem to not be ideal for scattering the case balls with great velocity.
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Carl thanks, I see it now. You are right it is a poor design How about Joe are we missing something?
John
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Powder is in the nose. The balls are in there so neatly because there are little pie-shaped cast iron pieces with dimples to fit them precisely! It actually worked very, very well with the cast iron plates, the head and the body all adding to the damage. The more common base charged was simply cheaper to manufacture. However, having worked ranges where both of these types were used, the projectile from base charged type always falls far short of the impact area for the shapnel, whereas all the shrapnel and the fragments in the nose charged variety impact the same general area, just like case shot. The development of high explosives suitable for artillery projectiles made all shrapnel obsolete. We still had a lot in our inventory at the beginning of WWII, but it was all used Stateside for training.
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I would like to see a 3.2 fired. That was our last field piece with no recoil system. I can see how a hobbyist could make the bag charges, making the banded projectiles seems like quite an accomplishment. Where in the world does your friend find the primers?
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We can ask him about the primers, but as for the projectiles, he is a talented metallurgist.
If you want to be a powder monkey on his crew at Grayling, I may be able to convince him to take you. I am not going up there and sleeping in a tent with a bunch of dudes ;-)
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Oh, I don't know if I want to participate. My shooting days are behind me. I sure would like to see it. This isn't the Paulson brothers, is it?
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No, PBO is way North of both of us and they may go up there too, but Grayling is a firing range in upstate Michigan. A hike...
I am with you on being ok just seeing the gun and rounds. He's over my way...come on over.
On the flip side, I bid on a few things at this weekend's Rock Island Auction. I did not go crazy so may not win any but if I do it is always nice to go out there this time of year and see the eagles along the river. I'll let you know if I am coming out that way...
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:DHELLO, SHRAPNEL WAS USED BY U.S. FORCES IN THE BATAAN CAMPAIGN IN 1942. PROBABLY NOT USED AFTER THAT.
FOXHOLEFRANK.
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:DHELLO, SHRAPNEL WAS USED BY U.S. FORCES IN THE BATAAN CAMPAIGN IN 1942. PROBABLY NOT USED AFTER THAT.
FOXHOLEFRANK.
Do you have a reference for that? During WWII Shrapnel was authorized for training purposes only as none had been manufactured for at least 15 years making the powder-train time fuzes very unreliable due to their age. I have seen a photograph captioned as U.S. Troops dodging shrapnel in Bataan, 1942, which would indicate the Japanese were using it, and they certainly had it in their inventory.