Odd 10pdr Read

[emike123]

Looks like it had a Bormann underplug, but hole is not threaded.

Thoughts?

[emike123]

Base view

[Pete George]

  The only answer I can think of is, Broun Concussion fuzing.  Remember the really wild Experimental Broun-fuzed 2.9" Read Long-model shell Steve Sylvia came up with, decades ago, from a CS artillery test-range near Orange VA.

Regards,
Pete

[emike123]

I like that answer

[John D. Bartleson Jr.]

Mike,
  If we can go back to this post.  If below is the fuze Pete makes reference to I don't see a need for the large ciameter recess in order to use the Broun fuze. What say ye?
Regards,
John

[John D. Bartleson Jr.]

Let me bump this one back up to the top.
Pete is this the fuze you referred to in your comment?  If so, can you explain the large diameter recess ande how it relates to the Broun fuze?  Thank you.
Regards,
John

[Pete George]

Bart, the Broun-fuzed shell I was referring to (owned by Steve Sylvia) is a 2.9" Read Long-Model shell, not what is in your drawings. The Broun fuze in Steve's shell was definitely an experimental model. It is hugely oversized, in both height and diameter.  Also, it has a long thick flange across its top, similar to what is seen on some modernday car gas-tank caps. I think Emike might have one of those Experimental Broun fuzecaps in his collection.

  Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a photo of Steve's Read Long-Model shell with the Experimental fuzecap anywhere online. But it is shown on page 245 of the Dickey-&-George 1993 book. Also, it was pictured in an article about it in an old issue of the North/South Trader's Civil War magazine.

  You can also see the complete shell on page 71 in Chuck Jones book, "Artillery Fuses Of The Civil War"... along with one of the Experimental Broun fuzecaps... and a nose-fragment from an exploded shell which had the Experimental Broun fuzecap. That nose-frag shows the rounded-wall flat-floored "chamber" we see on Emike's busted-nose shell. So, I believe I've identified Emike's shell correctly... a 2.9" Read Long-Model shell which had the Experimental Broun fuze in its broken-open nose. 

Regards,
Pete

[John D. Bartleson Jr.]

Pete,
   I do not question your I.D. so my fuze drawing of the Broun fruze is NOT the same as the one that would fit Mike's shell?
  I don't have any of my reference books with me except for Jack Bell's book.
Can you scan a copy from yours or Jones book so all may see the fuze you speak of?
Regards,
John

[John D. Bartleson Jr.]

Mike,
Can you scan the applicable image Pete mentions from Jones book?
Tjhank you,
John

[emike123]

Here is a picture of the fuse I think Dom Pedro was talking about.

[John D. Bartleson Jr.]

Mikke,
  I really can't tell much about it.  Is Jones image more complete?
John

[Pete George]

  Yes John, that is the Experimental Broun oversized fuzecap I've been talking about. The view in Chuck Jones' book is better for what you want to see. BUT, you are asking me (and now Emike) to violate US Copyright law by scanning and "publishing" a page from the Jones book on this website.  That is why I did not respond to your previous request.

  By the way... it doesn't matter if the image was published (which includes Internet posting) for nonprofit strictly-Educational purposes. You've still violated the law.

  Make no mistake, folks, when you post an image owned by somebody else you ARE violating US Copyright law... and you are making a big mistake if you think nobody would bother to report your violation of the law to the image's owner.  Some people (including at least one member of this forum) get their jollies by doing that kind of reporting.

Regards,
Pete

[John D. Bartleson Jr.]

Pete,
Please forgive my ignorance. Then Pete do you have it in YOUR book that you could scan for all who do not have Jones's book?
John
Mike:
   I notice the fuze threads start immediately at the rear of the main fuze body.  However I don't see any threads  in the recess above the flat area??
John

[Pete George]

 The Dickey-&-George book shows the Production version, but not the oversized Experimental version. Insofar as I'm aware, the only book that shows it is the Jones book.

Regards,
Pete

[John D. Bartleson Jr.]

Mike,
I re-address my question about the the lack of threads from the flat area to the top of the shell.
John